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O.Chat > President Obama, let's talk about him

I have never been so excited about a presidency in my life. From the moment I heard Barack Hussein Obama's speech at the 2004 Democratic Convention, I knew we needed him as president. He has got it all-- intelligence, knowledge, good looks, charisma, dignity, honor, integrity, humility, vision, oratory skills, altruism, humor, etc. etc. etc. He's got a beautiful and charming wife, and two darling daughters, all of whom steal our hearts. I am anticipating (and hoping and praying) that he will be able to realize his dreams of truly changing the game on both the domestic and the international fronts.

So many times, I want to comment here on something he has said or done, or something he just is, and there doesn't seem to be a place for it. So I'd like to start this thread to be that place.

I was so impressed listening to Pres. O's speech to the Russian students today. He is using all the earnestness, charisma, and humility he's got to coax those who have traditionally been our enemies into a new vision of partnership in facing our mutual global threats and challenges. He was equally impressive in his speech to the Muslim world from Cairo.

It seems clear that Pres. M has been totally charmed by our President. It also appears, from the photos, that Putin was equally determined to resist the charisma of the young leader who threatens his posture in the world.

On the domestic front, Huffingtonpost reports that our dear President has corrected a few things that have been put out there by the VP and by Rahm. He makes it clear that the public option for health care is not off the table, and he makes it clear that Biden's comments on our not being able to prevent Israel from attacking Iran is not a green light for Israel to do so.

I just read a lovely article on Obama returning dignity to the public square--from the conservative David Broder. It goes all the way back to Washington to look at how dignified our first leaders were, and how all dignity has disappeared from the public arena, except for Obama. It's a good read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/opinion/07brooks.html?_r=3

I'm interested in the comments and reactions of others, as we all watch the unfolding of this revolutionary presidency.

This thread doesn't have to be all seriousness and business. It can include Obama's brilliance at basketball, and his dismal performance (that he laughs at) at bowling and golf. It can include comments on his gorgeous suits and ties, to his down home (some call dorky) threads.

Serious, or light and fun. This is the place to talk about our President.


Tuesday, July 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM | Registered CommenterWillow

This is a good idea, and I will definitely contribute, although it is late now and you provoked so many thoughts that I'd like to be more alert before I respond.

I think the only thing I'd add for now is that it seems really clear that Mrs. O sustains him. I think he's very motivated by personal ambitions, but Mrs. O is a very important check for him. I think he is operating in an environment where he cannot trust too many people, and so he relishes the fact that he can completely trust her and rely on her. I think her consistency and obvious devotion to him and their girls, is invaluable to him.

So, I really believe that as long as she is completely with him on this journey, he will be a remarkable president, and will be able to withstand the myriad of problems our country (and world) faces, and the relentless scrutiny he faces as well.

Tuesday, July 7, 2009 at 11:51 PM | Registered CommenterIVA

Obama:
He's a good husband and father.
He married the girl of his dreams!

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 11:34 AM | Registered CommenterKris Kath

I think he's wonderful too. I just started reading Renegade, and it's interesting to follow his process of deciding to run. He clearly was planning to make a run in 2012 or 2016, but pushing it up by 4 years was a hard choice that came after lots of conversations with lots of people. What interested me was how his process showed a very confident man - one would have to be to run for the highest office in the land - but I never felt he was cocky about it. I hesitate to use the word humility, but it is as close as I can get to what I mean. He was very thoughtful about it - something I don't think every candidate is. I have the sense some of them just want the power and perks.

Willow, I think you meant David Brooks when you wrote about the article on dignity in the Times. I highly recommend reading anything you can find from him. He's smart, realistic, articulate, and pretty ticked off with hs fellow Republicans. He writes twice a week for the Times (you can find it in their archives). Also, he's often on The News House with Jim Leher, doing commentary with Mark Shields, who is a Democrat. (I think Brooks is very cute, but I have a weakness for the smart boys.) There is a part of me that wants him to come over to the Democratic side, but a bigger part thinks the country needs his voice on the Republican side.

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM | Registered Commenteroperafanatic

Wait! When I started the post above, my intention was to say I thought Obama was great and then ask a fashion question about him. I got a little carried away - it's all David Brooks's fault!

So: during the campaign Obama occasionally (like 3 times) wore a beautiful taupe gabardine suit. He looked FAB-U-LOUS. Still the shirt and tie, but not the usual black suit. I love him to pieces, but can't someone get him into a suit of another color? I'm not asking for anything extreme. Navy! Grey pin stripe! Maybe a subtle glen plaid when he's not doing something majorly diplomatic overseas. (No brown - too Reaganesque.) I have read that he likes the convenience of having a dozen identical suits so he doesn't have to think about it in the morning. But come on! He's got staff now - someone will make sure he doesn't walk out of the residence in pin stripe slacks and a glen plaid jacket. Reggie! That's who we need on this case! Dare I say it? Reggie for Presidential Stylist!!

Sorry, sorry - I worked in menswear for years and it's still my passion (if you think my closet is ridiculous, you should see my husband's). I just want to see this brilliant and gorgeous guy have a little variety in his closet.

Okay - I'll go unplug the coffee pot now . . .

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 1:05 PM | Registered Commenteroperafanatic

I don't know why, but I find his boring suit thing endearing. I know he'd look sharp in many other styles, such as you suggested, but there's something i like about the "uniform" he has adopted. The white shirt, dark suit, basic colored tie, uniform is like his "look." I don't know, I like it. Maybe because it shows a lack of vanity on his part. Or maybe it just shows a man who knows what he likes and what works, and sticks with it.

I think the fact is that he's just not into clothes and when it comes to dressing likes the simple things.

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 5:12 PM | Registered CommenterIVA

Thanks, all, for your comments. I'm looking forward to reading what will appear here.

@Operafanatic - Thanks for the correction. You're right. It was a David Brooks article I linked to, not David Broder. Sorry.

@IVA - I think you're right about President Obama's "uniform". I've heard him say that he hates to shop. He does as little of it as possible. His family members tease him about the clothes he's worn for years. Remember the shoes with holes in the soles from the campaign?

I think he has so much on his mind, it's just comfortable for him to put the same thing on every day and go to work. However, I do remember that taupe gabardine suit, and he looked great in it.

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM | Registered CommenterWillow

Operafanatic for presidential stylist! :-)

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 6:40 PM | Registered CommenterChristina

Willow & IVA: I cannot disagree with what you're saying about his lack of vanity, disinterest in clothes, and absorption in - God knows - much more important matters. There is a real charm in it, especially in the superficial political world. But, jeez, he looked great in that taupe gab suit. I'd just like to see him break out a little. I mean, I'm thrilled when he shows up in tan slacks, a blue blazer and an open shirt on date night. It's not like I have high aspirations here!

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Christina. I accept!

Wednesday, July 8, 2009 at 11:59 PM | Registered Commenteroperafanatic

Willow and all, you may be tired of hearing me say that I am white, conservative and Republican but I do this to emphasize how Barack Hussein Obama has politically swept me off my feet. It is inexplicable to those around me. I disagree with him on many things, I am worried about deficits but he is on to something and I desperately want him to succeed, to help build a more perfect union. I was mesmerized by the way he conducted himself at Notre Dame when the protesters started shouting. Go back to C-Span and look at that speech. It shows the measure of the man.

You must read David Brooks' Op-Ed
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/opinion/07brooks.html?em

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 10:48 AM | Registered Commenter

@ the other jenna - I know many people like you who voted for him, and who are Repubilcans. I think one reason he has such "cross over appeal" is because, personally, he's somewhat conservative. He lives a measured life. So I think that makes him relateable for more conservative minded individuals/voters. While he's pursuing a "Democratic agenda' he's doing so, IMO, in a thoughtful and measured way. Not to mention, I think most reasonable people on both sides of the political divide feel that this particular moment in time is calling for our government to work more efficiently and to work for the people, and I think most sense that with Obama, while not perfect, he has a desire to just make government work in places where it can help.

I liked that op-ed a lot. I once saw an interview where Brooks pretty much admitted he has a "man crush" on Obama (that's not how he described it, of course.) I think many of us have a similar crush on him.

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 2:06 PM | Registered CommenterIVA

@the other jenna - I like hearing you say that you are white and a Republican, but still voted for Obama. I'm white, too--though not Republican--but that didn't prevent me from seeing the caliber of the skinny black guy with the funny name speaking at the '04 Democratic Convention.

@IVA - That's a great way to say it. He lives a measured life. He is so steady and even, centered and grounded. We can trust that he won't do anything impulsive, but will act only after serious thought and consideration.

I'm a little worried about him right now, though. The conservative media sources (all of them) are talking up his drop in the the polls. They have a lot to do with the perception that he should have stopped the job loss and turned this economy around by now. It's way too early to expect that kind of change. He's only been in for six months. The stimulus bill was signed about four months ago, I think.

But, he didn't appoint someone to make sure that stimulus money got spent quickly and efficiently, and so much of it is still not out in the country doing what it was designed to do.

Also, he's had to correct mis-spoken words from Biden and Emanuel, which is not a good thing. Can he reign them in?

The liberals are afraid he won't produce a public health care option, the conservatives are afraid he will. There are some rough seas ahead, and his style of leadership seems to be more laid-back than some people would like. I notice he took a 10 point hit in "see him as a strong leader".

I do think he needs to get out front more on health care and some other issues. He may be hanging back too much, hoping for leadership and cooperation in the house and senate.


IVA, you're right, I have a big time crush on him, not only personally, but as a leader for our country. I want him to do so very well, and to soar in the polls for the next eight years--unrealistic, I know, but that's my crush talking. ;-)

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 6:12 PM | Registered CommenterWillow

Just a quick post from me (great thread to start Willow), but my all time favorite suit for the President is the pin-striped one worn this year at Easter with the silver tie I think---too sharp! Oh boy, let me stop on that. Any tie he wears with sheen on it, like the black one worn at the correspondent's dinner, puts a smile on my face.

On the agenda issue, I have noticed that the Prez is extremely disciplined in his message, and those around him tend not to be. During the campaign, it upset me a great deal that his main backup was himself. In his current administration, there are few stronger voices than his own on each issue. He's got a great "working behind the scenes" team, but in this media driven, 24 hour news cycle, it seems the President has to clean up everyone's messes and missteps. He should only have to deal with the big issues. Yes, he's made his own mistakes and should and has answered for those, but everyone else should be able to catch themselves and be as disciplined on camera and elsewhere as he is. The Democrats as a whole need more polish and cohesiveness on-air. Where's his backup and support domestically when he's abroad? It's been a nonstop barrage of negativity everytime he goes abroad---and he must as President travel abroad even during economic crisis. I disagree that they should follow lockstep on each issue like a group of robots though. But they should of course debate aggressively...in private, come to a consensus for the people they're supposed to represent and be united on the agenda that most of them agreed to when they slid into victory on Obama's coattails on the November ballot. The Prez even has to do the bulk of the fundraising for the DNC....huh? They show up for events at the WH, love for him to help them campaign for them and raise money, but where are they this week? Hardly any Dems on TV. Maybe it's the higher ups at the networks controlling this in order to bring down the President's poll numbers, but the Dems need to try to step it up. Congress is my greatest disappointment at this point. If some don't get it together, they're in for shock come 2010, and nothing will be accomplished. That's why I think the President is working at a breakneck speed this year. He knows how thick-skulled and stuck Congress can be, and I'm sure it's frustrating for him.

So much for a quick post. Back to work I go.....

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 6:38 PM | Registered CommenterJanelle

I just forgot something funny that I've noticed in photos...on a lighter note, the President is pigeon toed! I first noticed it when basketball player Lisa Leslie blogged for the LATimes on the WH event for the Council of Women and Girls that she was invited to. She said she noticed it as he was walking to the podium to speak---she thought it was really cute to watch. Then I started watching the Prez walk and when he's going upstairs. It's his left foot that turns sharply inward. Sometimes it looks like he's going to trip and it just makes me laugh! I wish I never read Lisa's blog, because now I notice it. Oops, guess everyone that reads my post will notice now too---LOL!

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 7:02 PM | Registered CommenterJanelle

JaNELLE!! Jeez, you just couldn't keep it to yourself, could you? Now we have to watch her tummy, her hair, her skin, her belts, Audrey-the-scary-brooch, her flats; Malia's height and hair; Sasha's serious expression; Bo - pretty much all the time; Gramma's busy schedule; TBG - pretty much all the time; and now the President's LEFT FOOT!?!

OMG: the pressure, the pressure . . .

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM | Registered Commenteroperafanatic

Must.... breathe.... ROF....

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM | Registered CommenterPosh Tater

@operafanatic---Sorry, I was going to bust though....too much pressure holding it in...I was too tense. Most times the cameras never show his feet on TV, just his upper body and no feet. I shall try to suppress these things in the future, because it can get a bit much. I'm normally pretty reserved with such petty superficial things. But I was about to explode if I didn't share that! It's so cute to see I have to say....really cute :)

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM | Registered CommenterJanelle

@Operafanatic - ;-) ;-) ;-)

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 8:17 PM | Registered CommenterWillow

Janelle and Willow - I completely agree with your analysis of the situation with the Democrats in Congress. He has to do everything, from fundraising to messaging on tv. To be honest, when a Democrat is on tv, they are awful and weak, so I'm not even bothered that they're not on as much as Republicans are. It's quite sad, actually. I have always been a Democrat, but watching how the Democratic Congress has handled being in the driver's seat has really been disappointing.

Yes, Willow, I too want him to stay up in the polls until 2016, even though that's impossible. I am concerned as well, but I feel like the thing with him is that even when his numbers dip, they don't dip because people don't like him and have given up. I feel like he's one of those people that can always win people back. I know people who are not happy with things, but despite that they're still leaving him an opening to win them back. I feel like as long as his likeability rating stays high, he can always win people back once his policies start working and things improve.

Oh - and I noticed that he was pigeon toed a while ago. That, and his hooked left handed signature are just too cute as well. And I'm just going to put it out there and apologize right now...he's got a cute butt too!

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 9:03 PM | Registered CommenterIVA

@IVA - he does! ;-) I think he's just cute from head to toe. But what I love even more than that is his intelligence, his temperament, his sensitivity, his humor, his incredible smile. He's got oodles of talent in so many ways. Michelle is one very lucky lady! ;-)

I think you're right about the likeability factor. He certainly has that, and I think, too, that if he just got on TV with a speech or press conference when he gets back, and talked to the American people about these things, his numbers would go back up.

I read a lot of liberal blogs, and the liberals are really upset with him about lots of things. They feel he's broken his campaign promises on lots of issues, like the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, and the funding of needle exchange programs. He says he wants to do these things through the congress, because they would be more long-lasting and binding that way.

He also promised lots of transparency in government, and return to rights for Guantanamo prisoners and all, but he seems to be hedging on some of these things. I explain this to myself by saying that it's easy to make promises with the info a candidate has, but he perhaps learns many things as president that the rest of us will never know, and these factors may cause the shift in position.

Any enlightening on this that anyone can provide will be appreciated.

Thanks.

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 9:35 PM | Registered CommenterWillow

Well, Willow, for me with the transparency issue - I guess I was cynical about that promise. I figured he'd be more open about things, but I didn't think he'd be open about national security things. His vote in support of FISA told me that he believes that there are some things that the government needs to be able to do covertly. It's nothing that we, or he, should be comfortable about, but when you live during a time when N. Korea can send a computer virus to infect government computers and websites, it becomes clear that we're no longer living in a time where everything can be done completely out in the open. It's sad, but that's life right now.

Gitmo - that's another issue that I was perhaps more cynical than not about. I think he'll close it, but no one is going to be happy with how it's done. I think he's going to end up doing the indefinite detention thing with a handful. I believe that because I think Obama is rightfully sensitive to the possibility that there are reprehensible people there, who's evidence is tainted, and who may get off on a technicality. If you thought people were upset when O.J. beat his charges, imagine a seemingly guilty terrorist getting off because the evidence that he was planning an attack was inadmissible due to hearsay, or some other legal doctrine that the general public isn't going to understand nor appreciate. I completely believe Gitmo needs to be closed. I have a serious problem with the idea that our country was planning on holding/detaining hundreds of people, without ever bringing them to trial. Were we going to wait until they all died? Were we going to wait until they were old and posed no threat due to their age? Gitmo is just an unsustainable situation for any civilized country to maintain. Having said that, closing it is going to be hard.

Something else that I often think about when I see Obama back up off some of his campaign positions that are related to national security, is that he clearly knows things now that he didn't know as a Senator. And when he does something that Bush did, I can't help but start to think that maybe the information that he has, that Bush had, which is leading two very different people to the same conclusion, is pretty serious.

Lastly, DADT, needle exchanges, etc., those social issues will happen in due time. Obama would be foolish to sign an exec order to no longer enforce DADT because it was enacted by Congress and should be repealed by them too - that's the way our system runs. The needle exchange thing - we've got a money problem and I don't know if that's money well spent at this moment.

We need to keep remembering that his presidency is 6 months in. That's it. I don't know what person would have been as on point and productive as him in just six months on the job. It's amazing when you just step back for a second and think about the monumental task of building an executive branch, while governing, while conducting 2 wars, and while bringing the economy from the edge of the cliff. He will win some battles. He will lose others. The one thing about our President is that he always rises to the occasion and just when you think he's down, he succeeds farther than expected.

Thursday, July 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM | Registered CommenterIVA

IVA - thanks for your very well-written explanation of it all. I think part of my problem with sorting it all out is that I identify as a liberal. I read mostly liberal blogs. And even though I somethings think that doctrinaire liberalism is as dangerous as doctrinaire conservatism, these are the strongest influences in my life.

The ACLU and all the bloggers believe strictly in: If you cannot charge and convict the people in GITMO, they must be released. They are absolutely going crazy as Obama says that he may not release everyone who has not been convicted of a crime. But you are so right. There are probably some very dangerous people among those prisoners who can never ben convicted, because, as you say, evidence is contaminated, or obtained through torture, and cannot be used.

I wish these liberals would stop being so rigid. Their constant criticism of Obama is going to help independents and others to abandon him.

You are so right about the enormous amount that Obama has accomplished in just 6 short months. I heard a commentator say just the other day that he is trying to tackle any number of things, each of which would have been the total work of previous presidents for half a term, at least. I wish people would remember that, and say it often.

It's almost as though expectations of Obama have been so high, that no matter how much he gets done, it's never enough.

Anyway, I'm going to be in his corner from now until his 8 years are up, and beyond.

I've got to run now.

Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:06 AM | Registered CommenterWillow

The GITMO thing is of huge interest here in the UK. The feeling is that it needs to be closed, immediately, that all inmates must be let go.

I don't support that. I agree with everything IVA said. Some of those guys are undoubtedly a risk. The problem is all the people who got caught in the vast, ignorant, fear inspired and panic-stricken dragnet of "oh you fit the criteria so we're going to imprison you." I'm an Amnesty member but I don't actually support their blanket campaign for closure and release. I can't. Some of those prisoners are fanatic. And a spell in Gitmo won't have made them think that the USA has it's good points so they'll forget about Plan B. You know?! They're going to get out and go straight to the nearest retail outlet for fertiliser and nails.

I just hope that Obama is the final say-so on who stays and who goes because he has a liberal but not bleeding heart liberal approach.

Second point is - Obama's election and first six months of presidency has hailed the largest and loudest sigh of relief here in Europe that I've ever heard. I mean really. The previous incumbent frightened us to death. A man who couldn't pronouce "nuclear" had a little red button that he mustn't press by accident. Dear God.

While not pressing the little button, he was keenly making almost criminal decisions about taxes, getting creationism on the syllabus in schools, health, hostilities against foreign countries ... and dragging us into it. In the run up to the election, on a quiet night, you could almost hear the English WILLING the U.S. to put Obama in office. My American friends and family often ask "why do the British treat us like we're stupid?" In recent years, the answer was short and simple. "Bush. Twice." Now I feel like that whole perception has been wiped off the board. Now we're hoping that Mr Obama can drag our OWN politicians into some kind of order - because frankly, people with integrity make other people behave with integrity. And that's what he's doing, so far as I can see.

Friday, July 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM | Registered CommenterPosh Tater

Willow & IVA, your discussion has enlightened me. This is the first time in my life that I have paid (close) attention to the president and his doings. When I first voted back in 2000, I was very disappointed and felt like the whole process was a sham. In 2004, I was definitely uninterested, but I still voted. Then came BO and he perked my interest and my spirit up. Sometimes I worry about when the pundits say his numbers have dropped, but then I remember that he has only been in office for 6 months. I know that people are wishy washy and can be very impatient and turn on people when they feel they are not getting what they want or getting it as fast as they want. However, I know that he has time to get things accomplished and the true supporters will stick by him on his tough journey.

Now to the cute stuff. The president has a great smile, but he does have this goofy grin that he does somtimes that brings a smile to my face everytime. I also love when in interviews he may be saying someting real serious or something that people may not like, but when he gets finished he flashes that smile very quickly and you cannot help but to smile with him. I think he is so cool and he definitely has swagga. Did you see how he walked down the hall to meet the Pope? Too COOL for words!


Friday, July 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM | Registered CommenterNyon

Great chat today. I thought IVA and WIllow nailed it, and having Posh on this thread is a real gift. I travel abroad often, and it's always an eye opener to hear people in other countries talk about the US. Though it's not the same as being there, I recommend the BBC broadcasts (on NPR and cable tv over here) to anyone who wants a different perspective. I so wish I'd been a better language student in school; I'd be online, reading in every language I could these days.

I like the pragmatism we are seeing in the way POTUS is guiding his administration. Personally, I don't want an ideologue in the White House. I want someone who is realistic, practical, and has a clear sense of what is negotiable, and what is not, in order to stay true to his beliefs. He hated it when Rev. Wright called him a politician, but the truth is, he's a great politician at a time when there are precious few of them around. DC is not for amateurs, and he knows it. You gotta know the players, and play the game, to get things done.

I don't worry too much about how the WH is handling the health care debate in the Congress. David Brooks (is this a David Brooks fan club??) has written eloquently about the wisdom the administration is showing by letting the Congress (and especially his fellow Republicans, which is his point) get blood on its hands over the details. The WH steps in from time to time to steer the conversation and then lets the blood flow up on the Hill for a little while longer. At the end, he contends, the WH will have stayed somewhat above the ugly fray, and have a sense of what is pass-able, what is acceptable to them, and make decisions. I'm okay with that.


Friday, July 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM | Registered Commenteroperafanatic